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  26 Years Later

  by Victor in

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  i'm one of earliest adopters of the internet in discovering the real history of the watchtower.

  back then it was the wild wild west with newsgroups being the primary sources of information.

  then came watchtower observer, freeminds, and all the other sites that followed jwd was one of the later sites.

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  VICTOR said, "Back then the only published books were Confessions of a Watchtower Slave, Ray Franz' books, and Visions of Glory."

  As someone who was around "back then," I want to clarify the chronology of those 3 pioneering books:

  "Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave : The Confessions of a Converted Jehovah's Witness" by William Jacob Schnell, appeared in 1953 and was not widely known, as far as I know - it was "before my time." I have not read it because: a) I don't need it b) I have heard that it wasn't that good; revealed no secret history, etc., mostly a list of personal complaints.

  "Visions of Glory: A History and a Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses" by Barbara Grizutti Harrison appeared in 1978. THIS was "my book." I had the great joy of speaking with BGH before her death. This book really helped crack my cosmic egg.

  "Crisis of Conscience : The Struggle between Loyalty to God and Loyalty to One's Religion" by Raymond Franz, (c.1983) I understand that to many people this is "THE" book. I left BEFORE Ray Franz did. If he met me in 1980, he would have DISFELLOWSHIPPED me, so I don't feel I owe him anything. I have read portions of his book. His second book, "In Search of Christian Freedom" materialized in 1992.

  I post this to make it clear that these books were NOT contemporaneous. They served vastly different audiences.

  I could not find any book with the exact title "Confessions of a Watchtower Slave".
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  Gofundme account opened for funeral costs

  by Amelia Ashton in

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  simon, i hope this is ok to post here.. for those who dont know yesterday a terrible car accident took the life of a lovely young woman leah ryan.

  she was the daughter of 2 members here who go by the names of sleeping beauty and her husband hairy he goat.. leah"s sister has started an account to help fund funeral costs.

  for any wishing to donate here is the link.. https://www.gofundme.com/for-leah-my-beautiful-sisters-funeral?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_co_shareflow_m&fbclid=iwar1z971joytaqnsy0zyq1_admdyxzqjpgrlf7l2-teq1nalnnqc6wcsn3pq.

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  I fail to see why anyone here should contribute to this £5,000 money grab.

  The death of a child - even a young adult - is a tragedy. Was she employed? Did she have life insurance? Did she have any savings? Is her family insolvent, living under a bridge somewhere?

  HOW does this become a community obligation?

  NO reasons have been given for why donations are required, just "we would like you to give us £5,000, please."

  I await the flaming... unleash hell!
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  New witness a bit lost

  by purelove20 in

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  not sure it's ok to post here about that.

  im sorry if i'm wrong but i'm just trying to find my way and meet people that could help me become a good witness.

  i recently discovered my faith as a witness.

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  PURELOVE20, this is a predominately APOSTATE website. You are welcome here if you have doubts, but if you are a "true believer" and are here because you think we're a virtual Kingdom Hall, you need to improve your reading comprehension.
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  Have you ever considered trying ancestry.com?

  by minimus in

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  i was recently given a gift of ancestry.com and i’m curious if anyone else has used this service?.

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  NewYork44M asked, "Those that did the test, how has this changed your life?

  I have done 23andMe. I'm the kind who want to know if I have "genetic risks," so I followed that wherever it led. Nothing I didn't already know, no horrifying surprises. I got weary of the seemingly unending stream of questionaires, so I eventually withdrew. I also received messages from "4th cousins" that I was suspicious of. These experiences tend to temper interest.

  So, bottom line, no change at all.
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  Have you ever considered trying ancestry.com?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i was recently given a gift of ancestry.com and i’m curious if anyone else has used this service?.

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  If your family is a traveling circus of DNA - mine is ancient royalty* - then one of the DNA services might be really helpful in laying to rest some old family lies.

  ...just sayin'.

  *We're from Atlantis - Atlantis City, NJ, to be precise.
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  Have you ever considered trying ancestry.com?

  by minimus in

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  i was recently given a gift of ancestry.com and i’m curious if anyone else has used this service?.

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  Yes, Min, I have used Ancestry for personal research into my tribe of Neanderthal troglodytes AND for research into the lives of various Watch Tower clowns. I'm 132% Neanderthal, y'know!

  I like Ancestry, but it hasn't always given me answers as easily as the folks featured on the US TV show "Who Do You Think You Are?" get their answers. It also is not an -ahem!- inexpensive service.
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  What Will Take Away The Reins Of Power From This Delusional Bunch Of Governing Body Saints?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  2. child-abuse

  will it be the complete and utter mismanagement of child abuse issues due to a total disregard for children and not wanting to bringing reproach upon corporate jehovah's name?.

  or will it be some other thing?

  i strongly think the governing body's days as g. o. d. are numbered due to their complete incompetence to rule a corporation, brought on by a big and getting bigger shadow, and a persistent denial of anything negative about their corporation's claims to be god's earthly organization.

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  I've been here for 18 years, and 18 years from now my parousia will have been here for 36 years...

  I am convinced that only the individual death of each GB member will loose their grip on power,

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  the emergence of a totalitarian dictator who who stomp the WTB&TS into non-existence,

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  the slow passage of creeping aeons of failed prophecy piled upon failed prophecy upon failed prophecy that will wear down even the most devoted "Sister Busybodys" (combined, perhaps with a worldwide shortage of "acceptable, appropriate, non-threatening" doilies for Brother-Sister Busybody to wear as she executes her duties as de-facto "spiritual head."

  As John Wick might have said, "Yeah, I guess you could say I have an ISSUE WITH THAT."
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  Trying to find Elder Clive Wren.

  by usualusername1 in

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  heh.

  i am trying to get in contact with clive wren from the uk.

  he served in croydon, gujarati and lymington.. not sure if he is still active or not.. if he is still serving the name of his congregation would be amazing.. thanks.

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  No one else has mentioned this... I'm trying to be HELPFUL... Bro. Wren may have flown the coop, eh?

  ...I'm laughing WITH you!
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  Hidden history of the Watchtower religion

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. scandals

  the deeper you dig--the less impressive jw’s become!___________________you may think you know the men who are vitally important to the birth of the religion--but chances are good you’ve been kept in the dark.. _____________.

  did you know?the 1st case heard by the supreme court of the united states concerning the watchtower society involved a director (an officer) of the watchtower, william franklyn hudgings.. a brief description of hudgings and his character.hudgings was an attorney, quack doctor, self-identified ‘scientist’, a pro-zionist, and religious enthusiast who over the years held various director and officer positions in the watchtower society, and the affiliated people's pulpit association and international bible students association.

  at the time of this particular case, william hudgings acknowledged being the corporate secretary of the people's pulpit association and acknowledged that his daily duties included the administrative charge of printing of the watchtower magazine, the bible student's monthly, the kingdom news, and other watchtower publications.. (hudgings was also re-elected to the watchtower society board of directors in january 1919.

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  Nathan Natas

  Terry, I _ALWAYS_ learn something from your posts!

  Thank you so much for the dogged detective work!
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  Saying hello again

  by EdenOne in

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  2. friends

  just saying i’m still alive and greeting everyone, veterans and newcomers to this forum.. 2018 was a year with a lot of turmoil in my life; me and my wife separated, then reunited months later, and spent the second half of the year healing the emotional wounds from that episode.

  that, along with a record year in terms of my business meant that choices had to be made regarding my time, and i decided to focus on my marriage instead of other endeavours.

  it seemed to have paid off.

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  Hey, EdenOne! Howdy!